Sunday, June 21, 2009

Is there really a G-d

I needed money. A letter came in the mail. Card from Grandma. Late b-day present. $50. Yay, I'm rich. Thanks G-d.

Maybe there is, and maybe there isn't. It's a perspective. Is the cup half empty, or is it really half full? It's however you choose to look at it. That's the main thing. Choice. G-d gave us free choice. And now you can choose to believe that G-d exists, or believe that He does not. It is entirely up to you.

I choose to believe in the existence of G-d. Is there a reason for it? Is it because I was brought up believing that, and I'm too lazy, or scared to change my way of thinking now? Or.... consider this. Maybe, maybe, I actually believe there is a G-d because I thought about it, considered it, and found there to be no other possibility.

There is coincidence. There is nature. There are things that just 'happen'. But in the world we live in, I find it easier to live when you are living for someone, for something. When you have a defined purpose here. Otherwise, why bother? Indeed.

To argue is pointless, as I have frustratingly found out. An opinion is an opinion, even on a matter of such importance as this. But then, the matter contains only as much import as you give it, doesn't it?

To me it's important. To me, G-d is G-d. He exists. He is an enigma, and I don't try to understand Him. My conduct is between me and Him, it is no one else's business. If I choose to sin, I have but One to answer to.

Does it bother me that not all believe as I do? A little. Should it? Maybe not, depends why it bothers me. But to try to change someones point of view is useless. What bothers me is when someone calls me closed minded. That, I am not.

So believe what you want to, because at the end of the day, YOU are the one that has to live with yourself. Not me. And if we disagree... then so be it.

As someone pointed out, we can sit down and have chollent, (or anything, I'm open to suggestions,) and discuss baseball, the economy, President Obama, or any other topic that may come up. G-d doesn't have to be taboo (a word I recently learned is avoda zara) but He need not be in the forefront of our conversation.

Because me, I know He is there, lurking in the shadows. And you, well, You just don't see Him. And that is your choice.

p.s. feel free to check out this link, in which non- Jewish students try to justify G-d's existance.

44 comments:

  1. disregard the last part in the link, abt jesus. him, I don't believe in. but the rest is cool. it's amazing to see how even non jews believe so strongly that g-d exists. i guess there must be something to it.

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  2. your title is misleading.... i thought u were gonna renounce your beliefs, then i would show you your post where you talk about being scared to fry out, and then i would say HAHA...o well...

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  3. ..I guess you've been discussing the existance of G-d with someone recentely or something?

    ..I see the wikipedia link and I'm still not sure what you mean by taboo being "avoda zara"..?

    "It's a perspective. Is the cup half empty, or is it really half full?"- You're making it seem as if what people think about the subject changes the object in any way, which it esentially doesn't. For example I can have a discussion with someone about whether Napoleon existed or not; it's not a matter of perpective, it's a question of fact or lack thereof.

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  4. Napoleon certainly existed-why else would there be buttons on people's jacket sleeves?

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  5. yah thats very annoying when people call you closeminded but wont listen to what you have to say! hate that.

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  6. A few weeks ago, as i was eating at a family's house, the father pulled out an email that he had received(i think it was a chain letter).

    in it it detailed a conversation between a professor and a student(i believe neither of which were Jewish). The professor began firing questions at the student "proving" the inability of the existence of G-d. After the barrage of "facts" the student rose and began his rebuttal. The following is the main point of the whole thing:

    The student asked the professor if he had a brain. The professor laughed and answered that yes he did have one.
    The student wasn't convinced, "Well, have you ever seen it? Have you ever felt it? Do you even know what it looks like?"
    The professor finally smiled, knowing what the student was getting at.
    "So," continued the student,"if you have never seen it or felt it, then how do you know that it exists? The answer is that you were taught that it is there, and most importantly you believe that it is there.
    "From this we cannot prove that G-d does not exist, and since we are taught that he does, and we believe that he does, then to us G-d does truly exist"

    This may not be an absolute proof of G-d's existence, but it certainly proves that there is no way to establish that he does not exist.

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  7. It is impossible to "prove" or "disprove" the existance or inexistance of a Deity using the scientific method...

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  8. so dont try to prove it. just let it be. if u want to believe, good. if not, dont. but dont bother pushing your beliefs on other people.

    its easy to say, you have your opinion, i'll have mine, lets agree to disagree and not discuss it. but really u are thinking, ha, i kno im really right. why does it matter?

    dowy- totally agree on that

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  9. Hatzair-is your problem the fact that it is used in a science context, or are you against using logic to narrow possibilities?

    Altie-(sigh) too bad we always have to rub elbows(metaphorically speaking)

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  10. I gotta agree with Shriki. Whether or not God exists is not a matter of perspective. It's a matter of fact. The problem is that none of us can conclusively prove that our view of the fact is correct, so we're forced to agree to disagree.

    Altie, I'm glad to see that you're reaching some resolution on this matter.

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  11. if you learn science, and the fact is that there are 9 (or 8, since pluto no longer counts) planets in outer space, or that neil armstrong really landed on the moon, those are facts. but are there? did it really happen? only if u choose to believe it.

    if g-d exists or does not is not a fact. its a view point. facts are something that can be proven, and are believable by most people.

    I am trying.

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  12. dude no one ever landed on the moon, my uncle works at NASA and he has photos to prove it...

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  13. how can u have photos to prove that something DIDNT happen?

    again, if i choose to believe it, then it happened.

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  14. how can you have photos to prove something that DID happen?

    well one can believe it didnt, so then it didnt happen.... so that means it happened and it also didnt happen?

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  15. This conversation is almost as bad as the one about Jewish music.

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  16. at least its keeping bored people semi-entertained

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  17. There are much better places to get entertainment, for free too.

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  18. photos can only prove as much as u are willing to believe, right? either way, there are no photos of g-d.

    trs- thats because people entirely miss my point. and u choose to come to my blog. another choice

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  19. there are too photos of god!!!! u ever seen my latest facebook album? pure , overwhelming, godliness

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  20. just google free entertainment. that should get u somewhere

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  21. Altie: I'm trying to save you people from yourselves.

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  22. food is not god, chanalia. only to u

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  23. trs: dont bother. u are wasting your time. and in yourr humble opinion, why do i need to be 'saved'?

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  24. , im not talking about food...

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  25. no idea wut ur talking abt. i looked. no g-d there

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  26. you are not g-d!!!!!!! and no, i dont like the pics. try again.

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  27. Altie: I don't know, I hate having conversations like this, I figured other people also would. But maybe I'm wrong.

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  28. i guess u dont believe in god after all

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  29. trs- i do too! thats why i didnt start it. i said my stuff, and left. but ppl dargged me back in.

    chanalia, i do too believe in g-d, and u are not him. get over yourself.

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  30. I think your definition of fact is a little off.

    Suppose I flip a coin, and you think it landed on heads and TRS thinks it landed on tails, are you disagreeing in a matter of opinion or a matter of fact?

    Before they proved that blood moves through the body rather than staying still, was blood's movement or lack thereof a matter of opinion? It was a fact then too, just they it hadn't been proven.

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  31. you cant disagree on something that is of yet unknown. according to me, the fact is, there is a g-d. whether it can be proven or not, or has been known or not, does not effect the way i think.

    and now, as trs said, i shall stop discussing this, because i'm not interested.

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  32. I couldn't agree with you more. The problem though is that we don't live in an individual to God perspective. If we would you would be completely right in your description. Religion would be a completely personal thing. But we don't live in a world like that. Religion is a community thing too. It is what makes us part and parsal of who we are. So this is all good and well for dealing with people outside of your community whom you meet only occasionally, but what about the people who you interact with on a daily, weekly, monthly basis? The belief in God is something that is the beginning premise that religious people live with. You know you can leave your property in shul and no one will take it, not because people are afraid of being caught, but because everyone believes stealing is wrong, and based in Torah law.

    So while I agree that you have to have the live and let live attitude in general, it is important to surround yourself with like minded people on a regular basis. It may be their choice to believe or not, but it is also your choice to surround yourself with the non-believers or not.

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  33. You know you can leave your property in shul? I hate to say it, but it's not true. In a place like Motown, maybe, but otherwise? I know too many people who have had their tallis and teffilin taken...

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  34. people in shul DO steal your stuff.

    true. cuz its all influental. if i'm around non believers too much,they might sway me. which is wrong.

    oh i do wish i lived by myself, on my own little planet called Altie. you are all invited for cookies (home made! chocolate chip) and milk, whenever u want. just give me a ring.

    goodbye world. its been a pleasure.

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  35. TRS: True there have been things stolen from shul but then it is my opinion that the people who do the stealing are what we call Fakerdox, not really orthodox.

    Altie: Thats the point you can not be always by yourself. But everytime you here something you disagree with ideologically you can tell yourself, "This is wrong. I may not want to argue the point for civility sake, but deep down I know what is right."

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  36. that is IF u know wut is right, and IF u can sift through the things and IF u actually believe in anything, or yourself.

    thats a lot of IFS.

    na, id rather exist alone. simpler

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  37. Oh, wow. Look how much I missed here..

    Shimshy: "is your problem the fact that it is used in a science context, or are you against using logic to narrow possibilities?"- You gave the impression that it's something that can be "proven" or vice-versa, which is a mistake many people make, since there is no way to verify the existance of a Deity. Compelling arguments and evidence can be given on either side, but it can't be proven in the same way gravity can..

    e: I mean, you were by all Proff. Press' scientific method speeches!

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  38. Shriki: and therefore what?

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