Sunday, November 29, 2009

Coming out of the closet

I wish it were still so simple, like when I was seven, and it was a non isssue. Back then, it wasn't something you thought about. It never became a group discussion, I didn't even know what the word 'opinion' meant until I was maybe 9.

We used to sing this song. It was in yidish, and it went something like 'Moshiach is already here, just 'efen oyf di egelach' open up your eyes. And then something about polishing your buttons. It always brought to mind an image of a row of soldiers standing pin straight, not moving an inch, with gleaming buttons in maybe gold or silver. It was a feeling, a good feeling. If we did just one more good deed, Moshoach would be here. We were taught a love for Chabad, a love for the Rebbe, a love for yidishkeit.

Then I grew up. Then I became confused. Then they tried to brainwash me, whoever 'they' may be.

I used to sing yechi. But then someone explained to me what it meant, and then I stopped singing it. (I'm not discussing that.)

I never really understood the arguments between the group that called themselves 'meshichist', and the opposite one, called the 'anti-meshichist.' For all intents and purposes, my family is 'neutral', and that's how I wished to remain.

I didn't even realize how bad it was until I visited another high school. I was in the kitchen in the dorm, and this girl says to me, as she's making her scrambled eggs, 'so are you like, a mish, or an anti?' all casual like that. I gave her a strange look and answered, 'I'm neutral.' Which seemed to please her.

I'm confused. Why do people talk about it, as if it's an article of clothing, or as if we are discussing the weather outside? 'Oh ya, it's a sunny day out. And uhu, I heard it's gonna snow.' The same way they say, 'I think the Rebbe is Moshiach, so what do you think? And does your family say yechi?'

What does it really mean?

I don't know. I honestly have no idea. I think this very issue in chabad is what may push people away, make a lot of people confused, and form half or more of all the disputes among us. And why? Because you have different beliefs then your neighbors? Is that a reason not to talk to them, or better yet, not allow your daughter to marry their son?

Last night I was in Manhattan, hanging out with my friends. One of them said 'look!', and there they were. The 'Yellow Flaggers'. You may have heard of them. Or maybe not. They are they chabadnikim, mostly Israelis, who wear yellow flag pins on their lapels, and try to get everyone else to do the same; who wave the yellow flag for all they are worth, in 770, by simchat bais hashueva, in public places, such as Manhattan, on mivtzoyim. You get my drift.

On the one hand, I thought, there are those crazy Israelis. That thought was closely followed by 'they are mine. Those are my people, my brothers, my bocherim!' So we went over to watch them dance.

There was a guy standing next to me, and he said, 'they suck. These guys come here every week, and all they want is money.' But he added, 'and they are the best street performers ever.' Then he gave them money. That made me feel better, but what he said still upset me. Little did he know, I am one of 'them'. He just insulted me, how rude!

Don't ak me what I believe, because sometimes I'm not sure.

I am first and foremost a Jew. I love G-d. Despite what you may think, that is not interdependant on whether or not I follow all his rules.

Next: I am Chabad. I am proud of it. I love the Rebbe. I believe Gimmel Tamuz happened. I hurts me to think about it, and to talk about it. It is confusing, like how can a Rebbe, my Rebbe, leave us? Okay, I know he didn't leave, he is still here, but then, why can't I see him? That is the childish way in which I think. And I refuse to accept it.

I hesitate to say this, because I may very well be stoned for it (I'm only half joking.) I believe the Rebbe is Moshiach. I don't have to explain it. A belief is intrinsic.

You know how you have the right to insult your own family as much as you want, but the second someone else starts saying the very insults you said, you get mad and want to punch them? (Or is that just me?) That is how I feel. I will not say that I know everything for certain. I know I am confused and unsure about some stuff. I know I disagree with some stuff, and with the way that some Lubavitchers go about it.

But watch it buster, because the second you try to insult them, you are insulting ME, and that is a very fine line to cross.

Ok wow. Did I ever say that I hate politics? I hate arguments. Maybe I should just keep my head in the sand, instead of trying to discuss it. Cuz honestly, I don't care to hear what some people have to say. But if you really want to, then go for it.

45 comments:

  1. evry single lubav believes the rebbe is moshiach, why would u be stoned?

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  2. omg, you mean I didn't make a revelation? Soot, I have got to try harder.

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  3. Not EVERY Lubavich person thinks that the Rebbe is Moshiach. Many believed while he was alive that he could be the Moshiach, but do not believe so now that he is no longer alive.

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  4. I really liked this post. Thanks for sharing.

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  5. If you don't believe in publicizing this fact then that by default makes you an anti-mishichist. Despite what Merkos Inc. would have the world believe, being an anti has nothing to do with whether one believes the Rebbe is Moshiach (whatever that belief means is another discussion..)

    As simple proof, the few Lubavitchers that will openly say that the Rebbe is not moshiach like R' Steinsaltz automatically get their "Lubavitch credentials" questioned by the rest of Lubavitch, regardless of affiliation.

    But then again I don't think this discussion belongs outside of Lubavitch circles. Without the background of chassidus and chassidim, it's next to impossible to understand..

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  6. Wow this post really nailed it. "So does YOUR family say yechi?" That sums it up so well. You don't go around asking people, "So, are you republican or democrat?," because it's irrelevant to almost everything. And even then you don't see to many people immediatly basing their views and relations upon that.

    I like your stance on the subject; nuetral. If only everyone else did the same.

    If someone asked me if I thought the Rebbe is Moshiach, I would say yes and nothing further. I have my own logical reasons for reaching such a conclusion. It makes no difference to the kind of person you are

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  7. "I am first and foremost a Jew. I love G-d. Despite what you may think, that is not interdependant on whether or not I follow all his rules.

    Next: I am Chabad. I am proud of it."

    That gets a round of applause all on it's own! I'm a Chabadski myself, though obviously not to the extent of the various bloggers here, and I was always brought up to be very anti-meshichist. My dad was close to the Rebbe, but he is very VERY anti. There are the variou sugyos which discuss how we know who Moshiach is, but my personal view is that if he was already among us, and even more so if he's been here for a while, he wouldn't be keeping it quiet.

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  8. i don't get it, why is it so hard for your to believe that the rebbe "left" you; ie went the natural way of all living beings? Your own father and mother will leave you one day, why not the rebbe?

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  9. though in a certain way i do understand, how the myth of a rebbe, a sort of guardian angel, is emotionally very strengthening, so i guess i can answer my own question.

    ESPECIALLy in such a changing world, when even our father and mother can leave us...

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  10. Well done.

    There was a guy standing next to me, and he said, 'they suck. These guys come here every week, and all they want is money.' But he added, 'and they are the best street performers ever.'

    That’s exactly my problem! They have taken something very intimate, something very precious, something that has to do with the purpose for which the world was created and turned it into a circus. Believe what you want, one way or another, but don’t act like an idiot.

    though in a certain way i do understand, how the myth of a rebbe, a sort of guardian angel, is emotionally very strengthening, so i guess i can answer my own question.

    Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent. Learn Chassidus first, then make hypotheses.

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  11. Thanks staples and CA. And OTD, no problem, I'm glad you liked it.

    Kisarita- first of all, even somechildren have a hard time believing their parents are actually gone. In a child's mind, they are supposed to live forever.

    But when it comes to a Rebbe, it is a different matter altogether. And I think in the Lubavitcher Rebbe's case, it is even more difficult, because his leadership is still going, the chassidim didn't 'elect' another Rebbe, and he had no children to carry on his name. Therefor, if you think about it logically, it is a bit confusing, and mind boggling, that 20 years later, we are still going strong.

    Menashe- I'm not an anti, I'm sticking to neutral.

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  12. This post, might come off as an attack on you, but it is not. But, I don't know another way to say what I am about to say. Personally, I Just don't get it. I mean, if Tanach clearly states what Moshiach is to accomplish, and a person fails to accomplish those things, than, he cannot be Moshiach, true? I mean, maybe its because I didn't grow up in a religious family, and maybe when I became religious it wasn't through Chabad, but I just don't understand how people can think the Rebbe is Moshiach. I mean, sure the Rebbe was a wonderful human being, who inspired thousands of people, and did lots of great things, but I still don't get the argument that he could be Moshiach, I just don't, just can't wrap my mind around it. Also, I love all Jews, (except for the people who are Jews for J) and I think Chabad as an organization does wonderful things as well, they put tefillin on me once. But, still, I mean, he's dead, in the physical sense he is dead, Moshe died, Adam died, Dovid HaMelech died, my hamster died, but somehow the Rebbe didn't? I...just...don't...get...it. but I want to.

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  13. Daniel, it all depends on your definition of "is".

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  14. wow CA, I thought you would have something more to say on the topic.

    Ok Daniel, 2 things. First of all, there are 2 types of moshiach- chezkas moshiach, which means possible moshiach, and moshiach vadai, the actual moshiach. There are different qualifications for both of them. Chezkas moshiach has to know the whole torah, do mitzvos, follow g-d, get other jews to follow g-d, and other stuff. Whereas, moshiach vadai has to fight wars, unite all jews, build the bais hamikdash, etc.

    therefore, we can say that the rebbe fit the description as chezkas moshiach.

    now show nme where it says that moshiach has to be alive at the time that he comes? he can have already passed away, and then have tchiat hamaisim, and come redeem us.

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  15. I'm not gonna claim to be well versed in this area, but I did learn about it in school. I know this topic has a lot of disputes and disagreements. But I still believe what I believe.

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  16. I do. I am exercising self-control.

    Who says Moshiach has to be alive when geula happens? (I mean, obviously, everyone who is destined to be resurrected will be alive eventually. I mean before that.) His actions need to bring geula. Whether it happens during his life or after doesn't matter, does it?

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  17. lets put it this way.

    We had a shabbos guest.

    He was saying, "Why didnt the Rebbe move to Israel. He would then get freely elected by overwhelming majority. He would then fix the spiritual state of Jews."

    Somthing like that. That was so believable to me -- common portraiture of future events.

    We wanted to say, "You got it!"

    That's what its gonna be like.

    And for people like Daniel (and myself) I think we need to learn a little history to remind ourselves of the Rebbe's overwhelming influence over the world (to understand the feasibility of the results of the hypthetical election above) (or just keep counting chabad houses) and a little current events to learn of his influence over ourselves, i.e connect ourselves to him.

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  18. Thanks CA. That was along the lines of what I was saying.

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  19. i dont think the debate is whether or not he is moshiach since by deffintion someone who is a "chossid" of a certain rebbe believes hes moshiach
    i think the discussion is whether he is alive...
    and that... can go on for days because there is no clear answer.

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  20. by deffintion someone who is a "chossid" of a certain rebbe believes hes moshiach

    a) Whose definition?

    b) I was under impression that in Chabad we pick the Rebbe because it makes sense (makes sense, not just feels right) that he is our Rebbe, not by being born into being his chassidim. So, then, it should also makes sense that he is/is not Moshiach (depending on one’s definition of “is”).

    i think the discussion is whether he is alive...
    and that... can go on for days because there is no clear answer.


    What does this mean?

    Also, the people who say that the Rebbe is alive — what do they mean exactly? That he was never burried? That the whole thing was staged, and the Rebbe is hiding somewhere (perhaps, with Yakov Avinu and Dovid HaMelech)? That he is not alive physically, but is alive spiritually? That he is still part of this world, even on some physical level, despite being biologically not alive to our eyes? Defining exactly what the argument is about makes it much easier to answer questions and see where the difference of opinion is.


    (Why do I feel guilty participating in this discussion? :)

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  21. (banging my head against the wall) CA, it's been fun. I'm going back into the sand.

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  22. The problem is with the assumption that this topic can be mentioned casually, without opening a can of worms. Sort of like talking to a secular audience and mentioning in passing that Alter Rebbe writes in Tanya that non-Jews do things from selfish motives. “Wait a minute... Whaaat?!...” :)

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  23. lol. For some reason, I can hear that and move on, no care in t he world. But the second someone brings up this discussion about the Rebbe, I get a headache.

    I'm not gonna get involved, because then I'll be just like all the people I disrespect. A Rebbe should not become a discussion. It's like a boxthat shouldn't be opened. It just seems disrespectful to him to discuss it. That's my taske on it.

    of course I think about it, but my thoughts are mine.

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  24. the term chossid means someone who beliefs his rebbe is moshiach or s/t like that

    i would love to quote but im not really sure where its from....

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  25. The word “chossid” means “pious”. Someone who does more than is required by the law. Rebbe Rashab gives an example of someone who burns his cut nails, being more stringent in Halacha despite the danger.

    In the modern (from the times of Baal Shem Tov) definition, a chossid is someone who is bottul to his Rebbe.

    It seems that his Rebbe being Moshiach is a more secondary thing, not an initial requirement/definition.

    Altie, but the Rebbe himself discussed FR to other people, in private and in public. I agree it’s something very private and intimate, but I disagree that in principle answering a question is a wrong thing.

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  26. you see, but I didn't 'kniow' the frierdike Rebbe, had no connection to him, that's why I feel differently about it.

    Answering a question is never wrong, I guess it depends how it is asked and answered.

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  27. Look, if you’re saying you’re personally uncomfortable discussion, I am not going to argue, because there is nothing to argue about (plus, in some cases, I am myself this way). If you’re saying that you think a chossid should discuss his Rebbe (or the Rebbe’s being Moshiach, etc.), I disagree, but I won’t argue either.

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  28. > Because you have different beliefs then your neighbors? Is that a reason not to talk to them, or better yet, not allow your daughter to marry their son?

    Where do you draw the line? At non-Lubavitch frum Jews whose beliefs differ than yours? At Conservative? Reform? Muslims, who believe in the same God you do, just with a different spin? Christians, who believe in the same God you do, but add Jesus? Atheists?

    Wars have been fought over differences in belief. Not intermarrying is the least of it.

    > how can a Rebbe, my Rebbe, leave us?
    > I believe the Rebbe is Moshiach. I don't have to explain it. A belief is intrinsic.
    > his leadership is still going, the chassidim didn't 'elect' another Rebbe, and he had no children to carry on his name. Therefor, if you think about it logically, it is a bit confusing, and mind boggling, that 20 years later, we are still going strong.

    Its statements like these that make the rest of the frum world wary of Lubavitch. Any of those statements could be made about Jesus. Except that instead of a mere two decades, Christianity has lasted two millennia.

    Also, he didn’t “leave,” he died. It wasn’t like he had a choice. Even the gemara says that we leave this world against our will. Unless you attribute godly powers to the Rebbe, which brings us back to Jesus.

    And you have to “explain” (which in this context seems to mean justify) all of your beliefs. Especially the ones that seem intrinsic. Its true that most people don’t bother, but laziness doesn’t in itself justify a belief.

    Question everything, even this.

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  29. i have to justify everything, but not to you.

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  30. I actually believe Shavtai Tzvi was really mashiach and that he's still going to come back! ; )

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  31. That would be a stupid and incorrect belief, but not kefira.

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  32. Of course not. Believing the Rebbe is mashiach on the other hand, now THAT'S...! : P

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  33. ok ok, one more! I used to believe in Yaakov Frank, but everyone stated calling me a "פרענק" so I stopped (gotta' know some Yiddish for that one).

    (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Frank)

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  34. If their biggest taina on the mishichisten is that they're incorrect then we're already making a lot of progress.

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  35. You know that title gets me every time.

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  36. :) :) hehehe. Do you HONESTLY think someone would use a blog to really 'come out of the closet'?

    Sorry to disappoint you. I'm completely straight.

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  37. sara: I gotta' say, it was a letdown for me as well. I mean, here I was thinkin' we were gonna' hear about all these crazy sexual escapades, and then--just talking about the Rebbe! : (

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  38. oh ya shriki, cuz im just dying to tell you abt my sex life.

    well you gotta agree, catchy title, and it got you to read it.

    and of course, what i really wrote abt is so much more meaningfull.

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  39. So, then what did you really write it about?

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  40. about stuff. About the Rebbe. read it again if you forgot.

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